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Tom's avatar

A few comments and disagreements

1. "The Union also lost about a quarter of its Army of the Potomac at Gettysburg alone - yet no one considered negotiating then, while Yorktown was enough to force Britain to make peace."

Yep. Worth noting is that in the summer of 1863, the North had two other major field armies--the Army of the Tennessee, which had 70,000 men and was besieging Vicksburg, and the Army of the Cumberland, which had about 60,000 men and was maneuvering Braxton Bragg out of Tennessee.

2. "Almost every time, once the Union took land, it held that land."

Not quite true. Grant's men made several forays into central Mississippi and then withdrew, the units Sherman left behind in north Georgia to guard his supply lines during the Atlanta campaign were withdrawn, and when he marched through south Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina basically passed over the land and left nothing behind. Union forces also invaded southern Arkansas, but were forced to withdraw.

"To a large extent, the army that marched south into Tennessee could just keep marching south into Mississippi, because whole new regiments of US Colored Troops sprang up to garrison Tennessee behind them."

Not quite. USCT regiments don't start getting raised in that area until 1863, and the drive through West and Middle Tennessee and into Mississippi first happens in 1862. Now, USCT units do end up garrisoning the area in 1863 and 1864, along with white Tennessee regiments, but the initial occupation was by units raised in the North.

"The white people supported the slavery system, but that was different from secession."

That's a debatable proposition. Several states held referenda on secession once the conventions said they were for it, and the results were pretty striking. Texas voted 46,000 for, 15,000 against (https://www.tshaonline.org/texas-day-by-day/entry/588)--this was about the number of people who voted in the 1860 presidential election, and actually corresponds to the number of votes Breckinridge and Bell, respectively, got in the state.

Virginia voted (officially) about 125,000 for, 20,000 against, (https://archive.wvculture.org/history/statehood/statehood06.html)

and there are estimates that about 12,000 votes didn't get tallied, about 2,000 of which were for and 10,000 against.

"the Confederacy in 1861 had it weakly-rooted from the beginning (for the cause they were fighting for, full independence) - even among their white population."

This is a more accurate rendering of the matter--support for secession was broad, but shallow.

William H Stoddard's avatar

I live in Lawrence, Kansas, founded by New Englanders who wanted Kansas to be a free state, as it became. Down the road is LeCompton, Kansas, founded by supporters of slavery, who at one point undertook a murderous attack on Lawrence. These days, though, on the highway, there are signs that say "Come to LeCompton, where slavery began to die!" I suppose that technically that's true. . . .

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