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Francis Turner's avatar

I haven't read either of the new books you mention. That's because I've moved more or less exclusively to Indie published (e)books available on Amazon. The sense of optimism / positivity you mention in the golden age books tends to still be there. The characterizations seem to be better though. Or at least they can be, there's plenty of dreck

The one traditional publisher that is still publishing mostly positive books is Baen. A decade or so ago I bought everything Baen published, I no longer do that, but I still buy some books there.

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Douglas Knight's avatar

I've been hearing people praise Golden Age SF as optimistic about agency for decades and I find it confusing.

For a man versus environment story like The Martian, it makes sense to say that knowledge and agency is the only thing that matters.

Knowledge and agency are valuable in war, but is any story about war optimistic?

I recently came across a Neil Gaiman essay in which he claims that the moral of 95% of pulp SF is "people are smart. We'll cope." That makes sense for the one story he describes, about an invention that upends everything and the suggestion is that the positive developments are more important than the disruption to people who gambled on obsolete monopolies. This is optimistic. And it takes agency to actually negotiate such a settlement. But this is a very small slice of pulp SF, not 95%, more like 5%. War is where such a negotiation failed.

https://boingboing.net/2014/11/06/neil-gaiman-how-i-learned-to.html

In a zero-sum game like war or racing for a particular discovery, there is conservation of agency. The kids in Red Planet start the war because no one else has agency. Is this optimistic? How about Foundation, where Hari Seldon has agency because everyone else is predictable? In the sense that "it all adds up to normality," it is a positive update to discover that no one else has agency because the world system produces just as much it did before you learned it, but you have more leverage than you thought. But it leaves the mystery of what destroyed everyone else's agency. Maybe you don't have agency, either.

I suppose you could say that Atlas Shrugged is optimistic about war in that it proposes that a system aligned with human agency will defeat one opposed to it. Is the Moon is a Harsh Mistress framed that way? But in that book the Loonies merely preserve their freedom while leaving the Terrans to tyranny. And even Lunar society starts decaying at the end. Does civilization eat agency? That sounds pretty pessimistic to me. Pick your battles is good advice, but whether someone judges it optimistic or pessimistic depends on what they think the heroes should be able to accomplish, which seems pretty arbitrary.

You mention recent dystopias. 1984 is a pessimistic dystopia about a government focused on attacking agency. But recent books like the Giver or The Hunger Games are about individuals overthrowing oppressive governments, aren't they? (I checked wikipedia and it sounds like only book 3 is about revolution, while in the first two the government is pretty good at manipulating the heroine.)

The Stars Are Legion reminds me of the Golden Age story The City and the Stars, a travelogue through a decaying civilization. The characters do not make use of fundamental science, but they gather and exploit knowledge of the artificial environment. Isn't it optimistic about agency? I think there is something else in these stories that you (and many others) are picking up but describing wrong.

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